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also put our heads together a lot and think about things. i love jim demint's courage, where he stands, where he thinks we need to go. i don't always agree with him as but he will go down in history trying to redirect us towards our limited government. he has a lot of courage that way. i have admiration for a lot of different aspect of a lot of different people in the senate. just like they see my negative qualities and positive qualities but the assumption is that on those i mentioned are thinking long term, not short-term. there's a real problem for us in the senate. we need to think about what the outcomes are ten years from now, not about our political careers. >> host: in breach of trust you what goes through the 1997 coup attempt against newt gingrich. you mentioned some friends over there 5 -- >> guest: soo is a wonderful lady who is leaving congress, just a stellar individual who knows what she believes, willing to stand on principle. great service. john k. sec was fun to deal with, really interesting. one i was serving with him his wife was pregnant with twins. i did get the u
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